After 40 years on plant medicine pathways—often studying with Mazatec wisdom carriers in Oaxaca, Mexico—and 25 years teaching psychedelic therapists and guides, Françoise Bourzat has earned her wisdom. Here she discusses the need for well-trained practitioners; concerns about the neo-shamanic movement; the importance of understanding the cultural context of the plant medicines; how our own healing pays it both back and forward; bridging indigenous practice and western psychotherapy; and much more. Brilliant earned insights. (And, she’s delightful.)